ok,kids
here's the skinny... we were slottered this past friday. i was one in a group of five who chose to continue on to richmond. there was a lot we could have changed if we had planned better, but one of the ideas behind party car is not planning. no one runs party car, it isn't based anywhere. party car belongs to anyone who wants it.
i've seen it suggested to change the time and location, but the only thing that has remained the same for every party car was the time and location. it would not be party car if that changed, maybe the cops won this week and maybe they scared party goers enough that next week party car wont be there to great commuters with tubas and applause.
forget politics, forget law enforcement, forget all the "them" against "us". party car is not a tangible group or posession. it is an expression of community and the only thing that holds over one hundred random strangers together. every person who has participated in party car has their own set of motivations visions for coming closer to their fellow human. we all show up expecting to find others waiting to let go and get down.
it's all coming out very flower child, and maybe thats not the feeling i was trying to express...i don't know. i guess i just want to say everyone fucking rocks, get over it. we have come together on many levels based around the spontaneous erruption of fun known as party car, and we should take a moment to think about the impact that had on us, and we on it.
here's the skinny... we were slottered this past friday. i was one in a group of five who chose to continue on to richmond. there was a lot we could have changed if we had planned better, but one of the ideas behind party car is not planning. no one runs party car, it isn't based anywhere. party car belongs to anyone who wants it.
i've seen it suggested to change the time and location, but the only thing that has remained the same for every party car was the time and location. it would not be party car if that changed, maybe the cops won this week and maybe they scared party goers enough that next week party car wont be there to great commuters with tubas and applause.
forget politics, forget law enforcement, forget all the "them" against "us". party car is not a tangible group or posession. it is an expression of community and the only thing that holds over one hundred random strangers together. every person who has participated in party car has their own set of motivations visions for coming closer to their fellow human. we all show up expecting to find others waiting to let go and get down.
it's all coming out very flower child, and maybe thats not the feeling i was trying to express...i don't know. i guess i just want to say everyone fucking rocks, get over it. we have come together on many levels based around the spontaneous erruption of fun known as party car, and we should take a moment to think about the impact that had on us, and we on it.
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Re: spirit in the tube
Sun, February 8, 2004 - 2:59 AMmy theory is that all the people posting, complaining about party car didn't actually go and are just making shit up about how uncool party car is to justify their staying at home posting on tribe instead of getting chased by cops and screaming and whooping and checking out all the cute girls who show up for party car.
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Re: spirit in the tube
Sun, February 8, 2004 - 3:08 AMErm, so you're talking about me..
But you forget, I am the official (I was hired) antagonist. My job is to spread pessimism and proffer a reaction.. And to piss off
the cute girls :)
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Re: spirit in the tube
Sun, February 8, 2004 - 3:14 AMalso the funniest phrase anybody can say in this world is:
"that isnt what partycar is about!!"
webster's defines hilarious as "people projecting their negative expectation fulfillments onto a st00pid bart party"
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Re: spirit in the tube
Sun, February 8, 2004 - 10:09 AMparty car is obviously also "about" doing something illicit. those people who complain about politicizing party car are in denial that a big part of the appeal is having a party in a place that is not "meant" to have one.
if all it was about was "coming together" or "having a party" or "checking out and/or pissing off cute grrls" then we could do all of that at someone's house, or whatever.
that the police want to "party" with us is proof that "society" deems party car as illicit. IMO, if we deter discussion here and now and tactics then and there from "dealing with" the cops then we are robbing party car of what it is meant for.
i'm all for rabble rousing, pissing peeps off (whether cute grrls or not), but *come on.* it seems kind of dumb to do that here. wouldn't you rather get your jollies on seeing the illict, in your face party car thrive?
like i advocated in the other thread, i say we convene next week as usual. i agree with the idea that there should not be flyers. i could get with the idea of making it a bit more clandestine, maybe hand out flyers with the wrong time, i don't know. that's just details to be hatched out.
but come on, let's get down to hatching out the details, shall we? and put aside divisive rankling over whether we should address this matter of the cops, or about what party car is "about." -
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Re: spirit in the tube
Mon, February 9, 2004 - 12:31 PMThe spirit of party car to me = fun! freedom of expression and art collaboration. I went on the first 2 but not this last time...work.
If you want to spend energy getting political - great! How `bout also taking some of that energy and volunteering on one of the many causes that are going on that need your support - so that we can keep our civil liberties, to party in public places, free speech etc. but most importantly to stop the death and destruction locally and abroad we need to get the SHRUB out asap. There are many groups in the city that are already focusing energies, organizing and building up a grassroots force to address the larger issue of oppression. It's a great outlet for your anger and it will pay off.
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Re: spirit in the tube
Mon, February 9, 2004 - 12:39 PMJeez.
The events get goofier and sillier (meant as a good thing) and people STILL insist on analyzing them. I mean, Shit! People tried to politicize the whole smart mob thing. Now you're trying to turn Party Car into a rally?
"grassroots force to address the larger issue of oppression" My Ass!
Get out there and have fun.
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Re: spirit in the tube
Mon, February 9, 2004 - 1:46 PMagain, if you don't think party car is political, then you have your head up your ass.
if you just want to "have fun," go to a bar and drink. have a party at your house. if you are having a "party" on bart then you are engaging in transgressive behavior. you are calling into question what "transgressive" is. that's political.
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Re: spirit in the tube
Mon, February 9, 2004 - 1:50 PMHuffing again Gordon?
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Re: spirit in the tube
Mon, February 9, 2004 - 2:50 PMGordon,
I bet you're one of those sameguys who gets pissed off
at a punk show saying "that's not punk" when a band sings
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Re: spirit in the tube
Mon, February 9, 2004 - 3:22 PMno. and no.
wow, you guys dazzle me with your brilliant repartee. -
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Re: spirit in the tube
Mon, February 9, 2004 - 3:51 PMyo can you guys stop being dicks to each other and get the fuck on the party car??
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Re: spirit in the tube
Mon, February 9, 2004 - 4:02 PMyou're right, marc. i don't want to sink to that snide level.
it's disheartening that some people seem to want to just stir shit up, and attack people. hell, michael even said in another tribe that he likes to do as much.
is party car not "about" community? can you guys accept that much? if so, could you see your way toward not swiping at other people for how they see things, and want to proceed?
like i said, you are welcome not post, just as you're welcome to come to party car or whatever watering hole you like and party down. okay with you if some peeps wanna politicize it? or does that bother you? honestly can't see why, unless you are just looking to argue. can you let people have different opinions? i've already granted that you are entitled to yours.
that's the last i'm going to post on that topic.
i advocate keeping party car all the same, except move it it thursday. i'm curious to see if the cops really are that on top of things, as some people have suggested.
move it to thursday, see what happens. if police arrive, don't be intimidated -- party on. did the cops actually do anything other than stand there?
maybe they were just observing, making sure nothing gets out of hand, like they do at lots of public gatherings. i have read nothing in either of these threads that suggests that they forcibly broke up the party last week.
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Re: spirit in the tube
Wed, February 11, 2004 - 6:43 PM>>yo can you guys stop being dicks to each other
>>and get the fuck on the party car??
Arright, here's a joke then.
Q: How many idiots does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
A: Harvey and Gordon.
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Re: spirit in the tube
Mon, February 9, 2004 - 7:17 PM>I bet you're one of those sameguys who gets pissed off
>at a punk show saying "that's not punk" when a band sings
>about a non-political topic, huh?
Come on Michael. You're an intelligent guy. If you want to participate, have a discussion.
There are a lot of interesting ideas being generated here; a lot of ideas that, if nursed to fruition, could create an awful lot of silliness and fun.
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Re: spirit in the tube
Mon, February 9, 2004 - 7:38 PMHarvey,
How is what I'm doing to the protest-kids any different
than what they want to do to the cops? I'm merely playing
devil's advocate here. You know as well as I, how much
fun we've had on "Party Car". I'm merely stating that it's
stupid to turn silliness into such a huge deal. Not EVERYBODY
thinks fighting and protesting is fun. Party car certainly
wasn't about any silly notions of fighting any establishment
to me. It was merely a juvenile folly, meant to happen a few
times until it was prohibited, then that's that. People act
like it's a personal offense that they're being stopped from
doing something that is breaking the rules and laws of an
establishment.
If they really want to be able to party on partycar, then
do it within channels. The publicity is there. Write
letters to your representatives, get them to write to
the head honchos of BART......
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Protesting
Tue, February 10, 2004 - 8:40 PMI AM NOT A PROTESTER! I do not hold signs and scream "No more war!" at the top of my lungs. I went to party car the first time because I thought it sounded like fun. Then the cops tried to shut me up because I was having fun. And I don't like it when people tell me what to do. I am not made to take orders. Few of us are, and yet our society is built on a hierarchy of orders:
Don't pick your nose
Say thank you
Be polite
Believe in god
Believe in money
Don't ask questions
Believe what you see on TV
Don't act out, EVER!
I don't take orders. And I don't give them, either.
It shouldn't be against the law to have a party ANYWHERE!
And as for travelling within the bureaucratic channels of our society, uch! Talk about the no-fun zone! -
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Re: Protesting
Wed, February 11, 2004 - 3:31 AMHarvey,
I'm doing my best to just be a lurker, but I know you,
therefore I feel it's my duty to jab and weave..
Consider it from this extreme angle. Let's say, for the
point of hypotheis of course, that you come into my house
as a guest, or a customer. I have other guests and
customers. You decide, for whatever reason, you'd
like to spraypaint my walls, yell and scream until
4 in the morning, all the while vaguely knowing I'm
annoyed. Once I finally ask you to leave, you get
extremely offended, and talk about me behind my back,
thus ruining my name and making it so I can never be
allowed back into the dog-trainer's camp, all the while
being righteously indignant that you were merely having
fun,and that I was oppressing you?
Or another, more real-life example. You meet some couple
at a club. You're on drugs. You don't know this couple, but
your friend is a drug addict, who also ran into this couple,
and used to live with the male of this couple, before he was
thrown out of that house for drug abuse andgeneral insanity.
The male of this couple invites you all back to this awesome
warehouse, for fun and hijinx. You,and your drug addict goth
raver friends then proceed to do coke out of the dryer, recite
obnoxious spoken-word gothic poetry about purple roses and
how ugly the world has become since the age of vampires ended. You also dance, stomp, and play bad raver music until 4am, when
one of the many other warehouse residences, who pays rent and
put his blood, sweat, and tears, into building this warehouse to
be an icon of freedom, asks you to stop. You then become righteously indignant, badmouthing them, swearing, and creating
as much havoc as you can whilst leaving the premises, vowing
revenge.
In either of these situations, would you still want a tuna sandwich?
Fuck. It's 3am,and I've been up since 9am. I need to go
to bed now.
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Re: Protesting
Wed, February 11, 2004 - 3:16 PMwait a second, I am not allowed to pick my nose in public? Sniff? Why, Jesus, why?
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Re: spirit in the tube
Wed, February 11, 2004 - 12:24 PMmichael, i'm saying to keep party car fun - and if you want to get your political kicks then go to volunteer for your favorite political party, nonprofit organization or campaign. thank you. -
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Re: spirit in the tube
Wed, February 11, 2004 - 12:40 PMErr, I agree actually. I was just deliriously sleep deprived
and jovially messing with harvey in a nonsensical way.
Either way, I think I'll show up Friday to take pictures. Maybe
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Re: spirit in the tube
Wed, February 11, 2004 - 6:36 PMEVERYBODY BRING PIE!
PIE FIGHT ON THE BART! PIEFIGHT ON THE BART! -
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Re: spirit in the tube
Wed, February 11, 2004 - 7:20 PMhrm. you said pie? maybe i'll come if there's gonna be pie!
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Re: spirit in the tube
Tue, February 10, 2004 - 7:58 PMok, one mo' time... party car is a party, and we need people (political or not) to rock out, boogie, get down and show up!!
so please...be at party car...friday!
