besides... showing up early somewhere else to drink/plan isn't a bad thing :)

b.

GORdon,

you sound like a very lonely man.

why are you spending so much time on this? how important is party car to you? if you need a leader, why dont you start your own tribe and elect someone the leader? i'm sure plenty of people will be happy to lead you!! you know, no one is asking me to lead responsively or responsibly, heeding the concerns of this online constituency.. and if they did ask me, i'd say "yo, why don't you lead if you need a leader so much"
like i just did to you..

i posted to the bulletin board trying to get momentum for a spontaneous party, and you responded right away with "FUCK THIS PARTY IT SUCKS", and now any further talking to you is pretty much wasting time that i could spend flyering, drumming up support for the party, whatever..

so i'm putting you on tribe-ignore for a while because it's way too compelling to try and respond to every negative point you make in a logical and compassionate way, but ultimately it's like arguing with republicans- pretty frustrating, slightly entertaining, and right now i need to focus on contributing to a party!!

hope you're still around april 1st because i'd love to see what you have to contribute to this community by then- maybe you'll even have gone to a partycar by then!

i'm sorry that tomorrow's party car doesnt have your endorsement, but ultimately i dont think it will make much of a different in who shows up and who doesn't- the most heavily attended partycars were the ones that were heavily hyped, flyers, forwarded to mailing lists, etc..

and this bulletin board is frequented by a very small number of people who have actually been at the event- supposing to organize them without including them is unrealistic and undesirable for me, so i opt for the self-organizing (affinity group?) model..

i'd also like to suggest to people who report "watered down" and negative party car experiences: it's like burningman, you get what you put into it, and there will always be legions of assholes who say "i'm not going because it's not cool anymore" or even worse "i went to the first three then stopped because it sucks now"-

organizational structure and shittalking of an event have the potential to hinder New People's involvement and contributions.. or encourage. flatly saying "yo don't go to this event", well it's hard to see that as a "concern" that can be "heeded"..

oh shit did i say heeded concerns?
cops concern? changing location and time.
momentum concern? advertising a post-partycar event (matt's art show)
periodic concern? matt's art show is once a month, maybe it will stay attached to that and come down frm weekly partycar..
haters concern? putting gordon on ignore.